hmm mycrpt? zend? i dont know about those i figured just php5 and sql, ahh i c now, the zip is 9, but unzipped its about 50, well it certainly is nice but i think ill have to look at other options for now, im only familiar with these things lightly, my host gives OSC and Zen auto installs but im just not feeling it with those layouts, im going to try to email my provider, they usually are helpful with things like this, and btw i recommend them if anyone is looking, they enabled all write permissions for me, i just got them bc theyre in town, i met the owner, he even set me up for free cuz i didnt have a credit card! anyway theyre cwihosting.. ill c how it goes with magento... one last thing... anyone know how "buggy" magento is as of now?